Of course the Russian people have to remove Putin on their own, however difficult a prospect that may be. When we progressives in the US talk about negotiating with Putin, we're desperately trying to head off the regime-change policies of our government, whose foreign policy is very much dominated by the weapons manufacturing oligarchy. These policies have led to chaos and repression everywhere they've been applied. Speech has never felt less free here. To speak out against the excessive militarism the US is applying in Ukraine (basically, a huge transfer of public monies into the hands of bloated military corporations, with a significant chunk of purchased munitions possibly ending up in the black market), is to be branded a Trump/Putin lover.Our criminal court system? Ask any member of the poor majority and/or Black or Hispanic person how different it is from what you describe.
Yes, Putin and his class are horrors. But they're your problem and shouldn't be used as a US excuse to sow chaos in the world.
Happy to find a fellow Brooklyn-ite. Agree completely. We need peace now for the world, Russia and America - and its toadies - have their own problems to deal with. How do we compare (why does MSM never discuss) our prison system population (largely POC) and Russian Muslims.
You're catastrophizing somewhat, but agreed that speech "feels" a lot less free, partly because it's more public by default, and thus more monitored by moralizing busybodies and aggressively thin-skinned idiots, who may attempt to get you fired; still beats getting arrested or lynched, though.
As for the criminal courts, the debate is ongoing, but currently the argument in ascendance I'd phrase as "criminals make life worse for their communities; that there are proportionately more black or Hispanic criminals than white ones is a major reason in a vicious circle of why they're currently poorer, and the (still-debatable) solution is to catch those criminals more consistently (and perhaps get rid of some of the "you can't discriminate against criminality" laws - see https://www.justia.com/employment/employment-discrimination/criminal-conviction-discrimination/)".
"Meeting Putin halfway" does not exonerate Putin or imply he's an okay guy. The progressives aren't making ambiguous or conciliatory statements about Putin. Rather, it is realpolitik response to an intractable situation. Two things are also true: 1) Putin has a legitimate concern about Nato's creeping expansion and 2) What is the solution besides a negotiated settlement (by definition, meeting Putin halfway or somewhere in-between)? WWIII? If you think it is the progressive types who are conflating Putin with Russia, you fail to understand, that it is, in fact, the "progressive" wing (not neoliberal, not neocon, not Democrats, not Republicans) in the U.S. more than any other that recognizes that the Russians aren't the bad guys and the Russians aren't Putin.
This is the best comment here. We wanted Eastern Ukraine to have a referendum as promised by the Minsk Accords 1. And Minsk Accords 2. The U.S./Ukraine had 14 years to do so! The U.S. always promised referendums/elections and militarily intervenes when it is clear their candidate won't win; from Ho Chi Minh (Vietnam) to Salvador Allende (Chile) to Viktor Yanukovych (Ukraine).
Re 1: Well, threatening *to* Russia, anyway. Has NATO ever done anything aggressive towards Russia that isn't "absorbing closer and closer countries that join it voluntarily"? Not looking to score points, mind, I'm open to examples, just not aware of any.
Re 2: In a sense, I suppose; the US here is trying to keep up a taboo of "don't try to conquer other countries". This is pretty obviously hypocritical given Iraq and so on, but different wars get different justifications, and even there we paid lip service to the taboo by claiming it was liberation rather than conquest. Still, beats *everyone* having wars of conquest, which appears to be the historical alternative.
The wiki mentions "Debaltseve" in particular as a place where the ceasefire part of the agreement was ignored basically immediately.
Re 4, see 2.
Re 5, honest negotiations would require a degree of trust that isn't there, at least on the Ukrainian side insofar as I understand it, and probably also on the Russian side (see 3).
Sadly, I do not expect such news of "westerners want to meet Putin halfway" to cease, if only because it's a country of three hundred million people: roll enough dice and you'll get 1s eventually, and those are the people whose interviews get broadcast for propaganda.
In terms of broader sentiment, I'd estimate the median American position is something like "we can't intervene directly because if Putin gets *really* cornered he pulls out the nukes (Stanislav Petrov is assumed to be the heroic exception, or not even mentioned), and nobody wants that, but otherwise we support Ukraine in spirit". If you get the people who have put a little more thought into it beyond what makes it into the broadcasts, well, things get a lot more nuanced and argumentative than what I can put into a comment during work hours; we generally agree it's frustrating that it's the conscripts that are getting shot and not the secret police, but there's no agreement on what to *do* about it beyond what we're doing now. Even without bringing nukes into it, "regime change" looks suspiciously similar to what we tried in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria: "maybe we'll do better at it this time with Russia" is a hard case to make.
I will observe, though, that Russia has history of its own with soldiers coming home from an unpopular war.
Stop helping Putin? You must look at the global situation. Can you not see that the Ukraine conflict is all an aggression of NATO, and Putin seems to be the only patriot who wants to save Russian sovereignty? if you let NATO win, then you will become the next sodomite kingdom and vassal state of the West. Putin may be guilty of all the things you say, but like China, there does not seem to be any better path for Russia. The West was supposed to invite you to join the community of nations, but then they betrayed you. The West is no longer what it was, it is controlled by satanic, pedophile oligarchs who hate the people. Our supposed democracy rules by economic sanctions, stealing elections, and manufactured "democratic revolutions", all a secret military operation against the world. Like in WW2, you lost 30 million to preserve Stalin rather than give in to foreign rule, (WW1+2 was a British/Zionist setup to steal Russia). Better alive and free with Putin then an economic slave to the US/UK/Zionist Alliance, don't you think? Ukraine is not about spreading freedom, it is about Russian slavery. This is a global fight of good vs evil, which started in 1917 or before. Britain wants to turn you back into a colony to rob your natural resources. Don't you see Ukraine is the final stepping stone to regime change in Moscow? Putin sees that very clearly, and you still don't. The West wants WW3. The elites hate democracy and want to "burn the whole world down". But Russia would and should never accept capitulation. So rather than easy peace, there will only be further escalation and provocation. It will end in nuclear devastation for Ukraine, and Russia invading Europe. There is no other possible outcome, Putin knows this, too, and he is determined. The West is giving him no other choice, and they will blame him for the destruction, when it is really all the Wests fault. Russia may never be the exemplar of individual freedoms, but it is still free of foreign influence, more free than the US, Germany or Europe, who have all capitulated. In the end, sovereignty is more valuable than joining an international community of cultural and economic slavery. I don't know where that leaves you morally as a Russian individual, but from a global perspective, Putin/Russia is the tragic victim who deserves the world's sympathy. If you don't see that, you need to raise your sights above petty Russian complaints about free elections or journalism and realize how good you have it. From the outside, Russia looks relatively peaceful and prosperous.
If the West wanted WW3, Moscow (and likewise DC, and Beijing, and...) would already be a radioactive crater. Nobody wants WW3. The catch, as usual, is that the various things everyone *does* want aren't necessarily compatible.
Though I'd agree that Ukraine isn't about "spreading" freedom. "Preserving" it, maybe, but the invasion isn't "Ukrainians occupying *Russian* territory", so any spreading going on is from Putin. If Putin is "free" to invade a neighbor, that neighbor is likewise free to defend itself, and *their* neighbors are likewise free to take sides as they see fit. And curiously enough, none of them have seen fit to take Putin's side, because "invading your neighbor" is what the bad guys did in WW1 and WW2. And they didn't stop with one neighbor, much like you're suggesting Putin won't stop with one neighbor. I'll grant that Putin hasn't mentioned anything about "lebensraum" this time around.
Also, though, I'm curious. You mention "foreign influence" in the US, Germany, and Europe (why you're separating Germany from them I'm not sure). Is there a particular country this "foreign influence" is coming from, or did you mean to say "elite influence"?
I don't think You've been paying attention to what's been happening on the "progressive West". Check what happens to Twitter Files journalists, Julian Assange and Snowden, January 6th protestors, doctors and medical experts on social medias, whistle-blowers, etc.
Freedoms are relative: in some countries one gets more of the sense of freedom and democracy, in others less. The problem is, at the risk of sounding naive and stereotypical, systematic, and as far as I know about history of Russia, Russia was struggling much more in the 90s and early 2000s than even during this war. This doesn't serve to justify any of these "interventions" or "special military operations", or Putin's seemingly democratically recurring hold of the position(s) of power, but it also shouldn't serve to condemn a single person who knows that geopolitical games are ugly and come at the cost of people's lives - be it through war, medical drugs' campaigns, or economical shocks.
And yes - one should find a "mid-way" and common ground with a leader of a country with the biggest nuclear arsenal in human history. If not for the geopolitical and resource position of Russia, then for the sole purpose of creating a better and more prosperous world, which is in everyone's interest - even people one would least expect from.
The upper echelons in Russia are completely intertwined with the global criminal ruling class that wants to commit the worst atrocities imaginable and suffer no consequences. And their corruption slithers down the chain of command creating petty tyrants everywhere.
Supporting this excellent post with a statement and useful links. https://virustruth.net
We the People are facing HORRIFYING TECHNOCRATIC PSYCHOPATHY TO DESTROY HUMANITY AND ALL NATURAL LIFE!
It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!
We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA!
There is an insidious global ruling class plot to enslave all life on earth behind all the madness and suffering inflicted on We the People.
How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!
RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
There is an evil predator globalist technocratic elite agenda of eugenics/depopulation/genocide using bioweapon poison jabs, war, geoengineering, EMF radiation, starvation and economic collapse - THE GREAT RESET/AGENDA 2030/4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION to get rid of billions of 'useless eaters' and to use nano tech to turn the survivors into ROBOTIZED COMPLIANT SLAVES! WAKE UP AND RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! These are psychopath megalomaniacs who want to play god by turning all life into digitized metaverse mechanistic synthetic biology to be manipulated by their AI algorithms. A more demonic sickening idea is nearly impossible to imagine!
APPALLED AND HORRIFIED AT INSANE TYRANNICAL PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! REVERSE THIS NOW!
MAKE THE WORLD AND AMERICA 2019 (comparatively speaking), AND FREE AGAIN!
NO, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE MORONIC SCARIANT SHMARIANT MONKEYSHINES! WAKE UP ALREADY!
TOTALLY CONDEMN BIDEN AND ALL OTHER POLS WHO HAVE NO POWER TO LAWLESSLY ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR OR DICTATOR AND DECREE JAB CROW 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' FASCIST SEGREGATION/DISCRIMINATION/APARTHEID VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE NUREMBERG CODES AND EVERY CIVIL RIGHT IMAGINABLE.
NO GREEN NEW DEALS OR BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THE CRIMINAL TECHNOCRAT TYRANTS KLAUS SCHWAB AND HIS CRONIES FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.
STOP THE TERRIBLE TYRANNY OF THE TECHNOCRATS GLOBAL AGENDA OF TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL USING THE VIRUS AS EXCUSE AND PROPAGANDA TOOL!
NO MUZZLING STIFLING MASK MANDATES! NO FORCED VACCINES! END TORTUROUS DEVASTATING LOCK DOWNS NOW! I WANT MY LIFE BACK.
I don't personally know anyone who likes or admires Mr. Putin or his associates (if they know anything about them at all). But what do you propose? The Russian ruling class are not going to accept an American policy which overtly declares the intention of destroying the Russian state, and I doubt if many other people in Russia are comfortable with it either given the prospective means. The outcome of that project has become manifest. Imperialism is expensive and Americans are already suffering from the incompetence and malevolence of their own ruling classes. However, any realistic suggestion for actually improving the situation will be welcome.
Prosecutions to make the globalist criminals be gone from the world! Torches and pitchforks metaphorically speaking if not literally!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
We have people charged as "terrorists" facing very long prison time for free speech. Activists trying to stop the building of the largest police facility in the U.S. -- on top of a public park in a poor Black neighborhood -- may spend the next decade(s) in prison for nothing other than "free speech." How can we criticize another country when the exact same thing is happening here. We should not participate in our country's attempt for regime change in Russia now. The U.S. participated in putting Yeltsin in power to the great detriment of the Russian people.
The hard-working people in Russia and also in the west have been asleep or rather taking care of their families and working hard days labor to pay for the necessities of life. In that time the elite and they're pampered spoiled children have gone to University and acquired power and now are exercising it. In Russia it's more obvious because you have a precedent of tyranny and a fatalistic satirical attitude towards the tragedy of life. Here in the west we are seeing exactly the same encroachments of our freedom that will lead one day to where you are now. And yet the over educated Elite patronize anyone who might make such a suggestion. We are all suffering under such an arrangement that will one day lead to our ruin... help us all.
Now this has become more relatable in China, when Putin recently made a visit here with his "Dear Friend" Xi. Perhaps we can act more directly, like joining Russian organizations as individuals or groups, rather than sitting back and talk. We need to somehow take the initiative from our governments.
Gorbachev offered the West social democracy in Russia through glasnost and perestroika. Clinton preferred the capitalism of Yeltsin and his oligarchs. As a result Russian and Ukrainian people have suffered terribly.
This magazine is opposed to the war, period. Neither Russian nor Ukrainian nationalism is a solution. There must be a negotiated peace worked out through the United Nations.
Yes, we have a lot of political prisoners in amerikkka! Younger imprisoned environmentalists are increasing regularly. Cop City has already added a number of youth to prison.
The largest amount of political prisoners are immigrants fleeing to the U.S. for asylum. Another large group is Muslims who won't "shut up" about being proud Muslims and are illegally charged. https://icnacsj.org/muslim-prisoner-support-project/
Of course the Russian people have to remove Putin on their own, however difficult a prospect that may be. When we progressives in the US talk about negotiating with Putin, we're desperately trying to head off the regime-change policies of our government, whose foreign policy is very much dominated by the weapons manufacturing oligarchy. These policies have led to chaos and repression everywhere they've been applied. Speech has never felt less free here. To speak out against the excessive militarism the US is applying in Ukraine (basically, a huge transfer of public monies into the hands of bloated military corporations, with a significant chunk of purchased munitions possibly ending up in the black market), is to be branded a Trump/Putin lover.Our criminal court system? Ask any member of the poor majority and/or Black or Hispanic person how different it is from what you describe.
Yes, Putin and his class are horrors. But they're your problem and shouldn't be used as a US excuse to sow chaos in the world.
Happy to find a fellow Brooklyn-ite. Agree completely. We need peace now for the world, Russia and America - and its toadies - have their own problems to deal with. How do we compare (why does MSM never discuss) our prison system population (largely POC) and Russian Muslims.
You're catastrophizing somewhat, but agreed that speech "feels" a lot less free, partly because it's more public by default, and thus more monitored by moralizing busybodies and aggressively thin-skinned idiots, who may attempt to get you fired; still beats getting arrested or lynched, though.
As for the criminal courts, the debate is ongoing, but currently the argument in ascendance I'd phrase as "criminals make life worse for their communities; that there are proportionately more black or Hispanic criminals than white ones is a major reason in a vicious circle of why they're currently poorer, and the (still-debatable) solution is to catch those criminals more consistently (and perhaps get rid of some of the "you can't discriminate against criminality" laws - see https://www.justia.com/employment/employment-discrimination/criminal-conviction-discrimination/)".
"Meeting Putin halfway" does not exonerate Putin or imply he's an okay guy. The progressives aren't making ambiguous or conciliatory statements about Putin. Rather, it is realpolitik response to an intractable situation. Two things are also true: 1) Putin has a legitimate concern about Nato's creeping expansion and 2) What is the solution besides a negotiated settlement (by definition, meeting Putin halfway or somewhere in-between)? WWIII? If you think it is the progressive types who are conflating Putin with Russia, you fail to understand, that it is, in fact, the "progressive" wing (not neoliberal, not neocon, not Democrats, not Republicans) in the U.S. more than any other that recognizes that the Russians aren't the bad guys and the Russians aren't Putin.
I don't know of anyone calling for "understanding of Putin and his regime" with regard to Russian domestic policy. However, most people I know:
1) understand NATO to be threatening Russia,
2) consider the Ukraine War to be a proxy war between the US and Russia,
3) think the war could have been avoided if Ukraine had respected the Minsk Accords,
4) want the US to stop pouring weapons into the war, and
5) want to see negotiations.
This is the best comment here. We wanted Eastern Ukraine to have a referendum as promised by the Minsk Accords 1. And Minsk Accords 2. The U.S./Ukraine had 14 years to do so! The U.S. always promised referendums/elections and militarily intervenes when it is clear their candidate won't win; from Ho Chi Minh (Vietnam) to Salvador Allende (Chile) to Viktor Yanukovych (Ukraine).
Re 1: Well, threatening *to* Russia, anyway. Has NATO ever done anything aggressive towards Russia that isn't "absorbing closer and closer countries that join it voluntarily"? Not looking to score points, mind, I'm open to examples, just not aware of any.
Re 2: In a sense, I suppose; the US here is trying to keep up a taboo of "don't try to conquer other countries". This is pretty obviously hypocritical given Iraq and so on, but different wars get different justifications, and even there we paid lip service to the taboo by claiming it was liberation rather than conquest. Still, beats *everyone* having wars of conquest, which appears to be the historical alternative.
Re 3, it's not clear there was respect on either side for them, at least from a cursory wiki read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements
The wiki mentions "Debaltseve" in particular as a place where the ceasefire part of the agreement was ignored basically immediately.
Re 4, see 2.
Re 5, honest negotiations would require a degree of trust that isn't there, at least on the Ukrainian side insofar as I understand it, and probably also on the Russian side (see 3).
With very few changes this article could be about America.
These wars are criminal gangs beefing over turf, writ large.
Sadly, I do not expect such news of "westerners want to meet Putin halfway" to cease, if only because it's a country of three hundred million people: roll enough dice and you'll get 1s eventually, and those are the people whose interviews get broadcast for propaganda.
In terms of broader sentiment, I'd estimate the median American position is something like "we can't intervene directly because if Putin gets *really* cornered he pulls out the nukes (Stanislav Petrov is assumed to be the heroic exception, or not even mentioned), and nobody wants that, but otherwise we support Ukraine in spirit". If you get the people who have put a little more thought into it beyond what makes it into the broadcasts, well, things get a lot more nuanced and argumentative than what I can put into a comment during work hours; we generally agree it's frustrating that it's the conscripts that are getting shot and not the secret police, but there's no agreement on what to *do* about it beyond what we're doing now. Even without bringing nukes into it, "regime change" looks suspiciously similar to what we tried in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria: "maybe we'll do better at it this time with Russia" is a hard case to make.
I will observe, though, that Russia has history of its own with soldiers coming home from an unpopular war.
Here in the US we could get rid of the neocons. In theory, anyway.
Stop helping Putin? You must look at the global situation. Can you not see that the Ukraine conflict is all an aggression of NATO, and Putin seems to be the only patriot who wants to save Russian sovereignty? if you let NATO win, then you will become the next sodomite kingdom and vassal state of the West. Putin may be guilty of all the things you say, but like China, there does not seem to be any better path for Russia. The West was supposed to invite you to join the community of nations, but then they betrayed you. The West is no longer what it was, it is controlled by satanic, pedophile oligarchs who hate the people. Our supposed democracy rules by economic sanctions, stealing elections, and manufactured "democratic revolutions", all a secret military operation against the world. Like in WW2, you lost 30 million to preserve Stalin rather than give in to foreign rule, (WW1+2 was a British/Zionist setup to steal Russia). Better alive and free with Putin then an economic slave to the US/UK/Zionist Alliance, don't you think? Ukraine is not about spreading freedom, it is about Russian slavery. This is a global fight of good vs evil, which started in 1917 or before. Britain wants to turn you back into a colony to rob your natural resources. Don't you see Ukraine is the final stepping stone to regime change in Moscow? Putin sees that very clearly, and you still don't. The West wants WW3. The elites hate democracy and want to "burn the whole world down". But Russia would and should never accept capitulation. So rather than easy peace, there will only be further escalation and provocation. It will end in nuclear devastation for Ukraine, and Russia invading Europe. There is no other possible outcome, Putin knows this, too, and he is determined. The West is giving him no other choice, and they will blame him for the destruction, when it is really all the Wests fault. Russia may never be the exemplar of individual freedoms, but it is still free of foreign influence, more free than the US, Germany or Europe, who have all capitulated. In the end, sovereignty is more valuable than joining an international community of cultural and economic slavery. I don't know where that leaves you morally as a Russian individual, but from a global perspective, Putin/Russia is the tragic victim who deserves the world's sympathy. If you don't see that, you need to raise your sights above petty Russian complaints about free elections or journalism and realize how good you have it. From the outside, Russia looks relatively peaceful and prosperous.
If the West wanted WW3, Moscow (and likewise DC, and Beijing, and...) would already be a radioactive crater. Nobody wants WW3. The catch, as usual, is that the various things everyone *does* want aren't necessarily compatible.
Though I'd agree that Ukraine isn't about "spreading" freedom. "Preserving" it, maybe, but the invasion isn't "Ukrainians occupying *Russian* territory", so any spreading going on is from Putin. If Putin is "free" to invade a neighbor, that neighbor is likewise free to defend itself, and *their* neighbors are likewise free to take sides as they see fit. And curiously enough, none of them have seen fit to take Putin's side, because "invading your neighbor" is what the bad guys did in WW1 and WW2. And they didn't stop with one neighbor, much like you're suggesting Putin won't stop with one neighbor. I'll grant that Putin hasn't mentioned anything about "lebensraum" this time around.
Also, though, I'm curious. You mention "foreign influence" in the US, Germany, and Europe (why you're separating Germany from them I'm not sure). Is there a particular country this "foreign influence" is coming from, or did you mean to say "elite influence"?
I don't think You've been paying attention to what's been happening on the "progressive West". Check what happens to Twitter Files journalists, Julian Assange and Snowden, January 6th protestors, doctors and medical experts on social medias, whistle-blowers, etc.
Freedoms are relative: in some countries one gets more of the sense of freedom and democracy, in others less. The problem is, at the risk of sounding naive and stereotypical, systematic, and as far as I know about history of Russia, Russia was struggling much more in the 90s and early 2000s than even during this war. This doesn't serve to justify any of these "interventions" or "special military operations", or Putin's seemingly democratically recurring hold of the position(s) of power, but it also shouldn't serve to condemn a single person who knows that geopolitical games are ugly and come at the cost of people's lives - be it through war, medical drugs' campaigns, or economical shocks.
And yes - one should find a "mid-way" and common ground with a leader of a country with the biggest nuclear arsenal in human history. If not for the geopolitical and resource position of Russia, then for the sole purpose of creating a better and more prosperous world, which is in everyone's interest - even people one would least expect from.
The upper echelons in Russia are completely intertwined with the global criminal ruling class that wants to commit the worst atrocities imaginable and suffer no consequences. And their corruption slithers down the chain of command creating petty tyrants everywhere.
Supporting this excellent post with a statement and useful links. https://virustruth.net
We the People are facing HORRIFYING TECHNOCRATIC PSYCHOPATHY TO DESTROY HUMANITY AND ALL NATURAL LIFE!
It was NEVER about health! The Powers That Should Not Be were ALWAYS about they want you DEAD or a SLAVE! This is a painful truth to accept but we the people must wake up and fight back!
We must never lose sight of the larger picture of the vile malignance we are fighting against.
CLIMATE CHANGE IS AN EVEN WORSE FRAUD THAN THE PLANSCAMDEMIC! SO-CALLED GREEN TECH IS A GIGANTIC SCAM! MINING AND MANUFACTURING 'GREEN' PRODUCTS NEEDS COAL, GAS AND OIL AND MINING RARE MINERALS IS MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY TOXIC AND DESTRUCTIVE THAN LEGACY PRODUCTS. SCREW YOUR DAMNED AGENDA!
There is an insidious global ruling class plot to enslave all life on earth behind all the madness and suffering inflicted on We the People.
How to fight back against this TOTAL SLAVERY!
RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! DITCH THE DAMNED 'SMART' PHONES AND THE DAMNED QR CODES AND GO BACK TO LANDLINES OR FLIP PHONES AND USE CASH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! INSIST ON CASH! CBDC IS TOTAL SLAVERY!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
There is an evil predator globalist technocratic elite agenda of eugenics/depopulation/genocide using bioweapon poison jabs, war, geoengineering, EMF radiation, starvation and economic collapse - THE GREAT RESET/AGENDA 2030/4TH INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION to get rid of billions of 'useless eaters' and to use nano tech to turn the survivors into ROBOTIZED COMPLIANT SLAVES! WAKE UP AND RESIST! DO NOT COMPLY! These are psychopath megalomaniacs who want to play god by turning all life into digitized metaverse mechanistic synthetic biology to be manipulated by their AI algorithms. A more demonic sickening idea is nearly impossible to imagine!
APPALLED AND HORRIFIED AT INSANE TYRANNICAL PROTOCOLS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTH AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH TOTALITARIAN CONTROL! REVERSE THIS NOW!
MAKE THE WORLD AND AMERICA 2019 (comparatively speaking), AND FREE AGAIN!
NO, I AM NOT AFRAID OF THE MORONIC SCARIANT SHMARIANT MONKEYSHINES! WAKE UP ALREADY!
TOTALLY CONDEMN BIDEN AND ALL OTHER POLS WHO HAVE NO POWER TO LAWLESSLY ACT LIKE AN EMPEROR OR DICTATOR AND DECREE JAB CROW 'SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS' FASCIST SEGREGATION/DISCRIMINATION/APARTHEID VIOLATIONS OF THE CONSTITUTION, THE NUREMBERG CODES AND EVERY CIVIL RIGHT IMAGINABLE.
NO GREEN NEW DEALS OR BUILD BACK BETTER FROM THE CRIMINAL TECHNOCRAT TYRANTS KLAUS SCHWAB AND HIS CRONIES FROM THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM.
STOP THE TERRIBLE TYRANNY OF THE TECHNOCRATS GLOBAL AGENDA OF TOTAL SURVEILLANCE AND CONTROL USING THE VIRUS AS EXCUSE AND PROPAGANDA TOOL!
NO MUZZLING STIFLING MASK MANDATES! NO FORCED VACCINES! END TORTUROUS DEVASTATING LOCK DOWNS NOW! I WANT MY LIFE BACK.
https://wrenchinthegears.com
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com
https://pandemicfacts.info
https://wearehumanwearefree.org/7-days-campaign/
https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/covid-19-roadmap-12-step-plan-to-create-a-totalitarian-new-world-order-were-on-number-8-headed-towards-number-9/
https://questioningcovid.com
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1581-james-corbett-breaks-down-the-great-reset/
http://www.stopcp.com/GlobalResetPSYOP/GlobalResetPSYOPMindMap.html
https://everydayconcerned.net/2020/09/04/breaking-major-investigative-report-by-association-of-french-reserve-army-officers-finds-covid-19-pandemic-to-have-a-hidden-agenda-for-global-totalitarianism-nanotech-chipping-of-all-5g-irradia/
Pam Popper: https://makeamericansfreeagain.com
Del Bigtree: https://www.brighteon.com/channels/highwire
https://www.technocracy.news
Naomi Wolf: https://dailyclout.io
www.nojabforme.info
https://www.globalresearch.ca/we-must-awaken-from-corona-coma-reject-great-reset-robotic-technocracy-assert-common-humanity/5745213
That’s what spamming the comments looks like, I guess.
I try to assume good faith.
I don't personally know anyone who likes or admires Mr. Putin or his associates (if they know anything about them at all). But what do you propose? The Russian ruling class are not going to accept an American policy which overtly declares the intention of destroying the Russian state, and I doubt if many other people in Russia are comfortable with it either given the prospective means. The outcome of that project has become manifest. Imperialism is expensive and Americans are already suffering from the incompetence and malevolence of their own ruling classes. However, any realistic suggestion for actually improving the situation will be welcome.
Prosecutions to make the globalist criminals be gone from the world! Torches and pitchforks metaphorically speaking if not literally!
Other than getting rid of nuclear weapons which I support 100% the rest of the anti-nuclear peace movement and CLIMATE CRISIS propaganda is parroting UN utter GARBAGE, a complete surrender to the ENSLAVEMENT AGENDA by the diabolical despots of Davos - ruling class criminals who lust for total power and control and all of whom should be tried and jailed for life and their malign organizations dismantled: the UN, the WEF, the IMF, the WHO, the BIS, NATO, Blackrock, Vanguard, The Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, The Bilderbergers, the CFR et al.
https://www.jeffsachs.org/newspaper-articles/yjae8gc8hp2p293tmt4dlr4z2dpe2s
Follow the links for proof of U.S. coup against Ukraine in 2014.
We have people charged as "terrorists" facing very long prison time for free speech. Activists trying to stop the building of the largest police facility in the U.S. -- on top of a public park in a poor Black neighborhood -- may spend the next decade(s) in prison for nothing other than "free speech." How can we criticize another country when the exact same thing is happening here. We should not participate in our country's attempt for regime change in Russia now. The U.S. participated in putting Yeltsin in power to the great detriment of the Russian people.
https://www.salon.com/2023/06/03/fascism-free-speech-and-cop-city-whats-happening-in-atlanta-and-why-it-matters/
How does Traitor Boris remain...?
His country is surrounded by Apocalypse.
How does Traitor Boris remain...
The hard-working people in Russia and also in the west have been asleep or rather taking care of their families and working hard days labor to pay for the necessities of life. In that time the elite and they're pampered spoiled children have gone to University and acquired power and now are exercising it. In Russia it's more obvious because you have a precedent of tyranny and a fatalistic satirical attitude towards the tragedy of life. Here in the west we are seeing exactly the same encroachments of our freedom that will lead one day to where you are now. And yet the over educated Elite patronize anyone who might make such a suggestion. We are all suffering under such an arrangement that will one day lead to our ruin... help us all.
Now this has become more relatable in China, when Putin recently made a visit here with his "Dear Friend" Xi. Perhaps we can act more directly, like joining Russian organizations as individuals or groups, rather than sitting back and talk. We need to somehow take the initiative from our governments.
Gorbachev offered the West social democracy in Russia through glasnost and perestroika. Clinton preferred the capitalism of Yeltsin and his oligarchs. As a result Russian and Ukrainian people have suffered terribly.
This magazine is opposed to the war, period. Neither Russian nor Ukrainian nationalism is a solution. There must be a negotiated peace worked out through the United Nations.
We have fascism and political prisoners in the U.S. who did nothing but "free speech" here in the U.S.
https://www.salon.com/2023/06/03/fascism-free-speech-and-cop-city-whats-happening-in-atlanta-and-why-it-matters/
Yes, we have a lot of political prisoners in amerikkka! Younger imprisoned environmentalists are increasing regularly. Cop City has already added a number of youth to prison.
https://www.workers.org/2023/05/70847/ AND https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/carceral-logics/political-prisoners-and-the-repression-of-animal-liberation-and-intersectional-environmental-justice-movements/19483F2F1E7E7C5F61488EC239F389F9# AND https://thejerichomovement.com.
The largest amount of political prisoners are immigrants fleeing to the U.S. for asylum. Another large group is Muslims who won't "shut up" about being proud Muslims and are illegally charged. https://icnacsj.org/muslim-prisoner-support-project/
Money for war and regime change makes ever more homeless and hungry here. NYC has 74,000 homeless people, i.e. sleeping in NYC homeless shelters. Huge amounts of homeless live in the subway and streets because the shelters are not safe, assault and rape are horrifyingly present. https://www.coalitionforthehomeless.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/NYC-Homeless-Shelter-Population-Charts-2-2023.pdf
1 in 1,000 Black men are killed by police!! Police brutality and assassination are the 6th leading cause of death of Black men in the U.S.! https://www.vox.com/2020/5/31/21276004/anger-police-killing-george-floyd-protests